Bawa The On-line Bawa Muhaiyaddeen Library (Recommended way to Navigate around Library) Spiritual Chat 360 ---------- "E-mail Version" ------- About Spiritual Chat 360 "The Silent Zikr is God Speaking From Within You, Not You Trying To Be Silent On The Outside of You" Date of Chat: November 17, 2006, on Friday Night, after the Jumma Prayer Chat Between: Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman (Curtis Wahlgren) and Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Louie Beutler), at the "Feet of God" for "Your Age" Page 1 of 1 ============================================================== Main Go To: Status Go To: Introduction - to Spiritual Chat 3608 ------------------------------------ Available Go To: A Short Overview - to Spiritual Chat 360 ---------------------------- Available Go To: E-mail Version - of Spiritual Chat 360 ---------------------------------- Available (The Version you are currently reading) Go To: Outline & Summary Version - of Spiritual Chat 360, with "Outline & Summaries" --------------------------------------------------- Planned Go To: Related Material - for Spiritual Chat 360 ------------------------------ Planned ============================================================== Home Page - Spiritual Chats Go To Spiritual Chat 361 Chat 360: E-mail Alert Library Home Page Go To Spiritual Chat 359 Chat 360: Other Stuff ============================================================== A Short Overview - of Spiritual Chat 360 MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Nice intention Grasshopper, but that is not the question that was asked. Please answer the question that was asked, if you like. Ok? Bawa. And stop and think about the answer that you just gave, which is the whole point of this beautiful exercise, of "Spiritual Chat 360", for what is wrong with the statement you just made, "When we can let ourselves become blank then God can (do something)". Bawa. What you are implying by that answer, is that you can do something, like become blank, without God also doing something, like starting to again tell His Story within you. But in truth one doesn't follow the other as you imply, both have to occur at the same time, for anything to change within you, that is, for something to truly occur within you, because in truth "You and God" are One, two sides of the same coin, two aspects of the same thing, of the "One Thing". Ok? Bawa. For you to do something, anything, without first involviing God in what is happening, that is, by defining what you are doing on the "outside" of you in terms of what God is also doing within you, and by defining what God is doing within you in terms of what you are doing on the "outside" of you, is for "you to do nothing", is for "nothing to truly happen", either within you or on the "outside" of you. Ok? Bawa. And that is the "dream of you", the idea of "you" as "separate from" God within you, that keeps you living the lie of you, the falsehood of you on the illusory "outside" of you, that you are "separate from" God within you, all of which can only end when you start to again involve God within you, in whatever you are doing on the "outside" of you, when you start to again define you again as "One with" God within you, when you start to again live the truth of you, that "You and God" are One, because in truth this is your only problem, either within you or on the illusory "outside" of you, your apparent "separation from" God within you, all of which is "Just Not True". Bawa. An apparent "separation from" God within you which can only be changed by you again acting as "One with" God within you, in everything that you start to do on the illusory "outside" of you, by first calling out the Name of God for your age, which for your age is "Bawa", or "Bawa Muhaiyaddeen", or "Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen" (may God be pleased with Him), that is, before you start to "Say or Do or Write" anything on the "outside" of you. Bawa. And in this way, and only in this way, with you truly establishing "God's Presence" within you, that is, with you truly placing all of the Creation of God within you directly before the "Power that is God" within you, so God can then "Pass Judgment" upon them, before you die to the flesh, and they have to spend eternity within you as "separate from" God within you. Amen. Bawa. For in truth the Choice is yours, not "Our Choice" within you, or "God's Choice" within "Us" within you, or the Choice of the Creation of God within you, that is, the Choice of "How and where" you and the Creation of God within you will spend eternity within you, either as "One with" or as "separate from" God within you, for in truth there are only two Choices, that is, God or hell, not three Choices as My Children still mistakenly believe, not God, heaven, or hell. Bawa. For in truth what My Children mistakenly call heaven is just hell in work clothes, is just the drama of your life, the drama of "I and you", of "Mine and yours", a drama of "separation and differences" which is leading My Children to an eternal life within you of "separation from" God within you, and that is the truth of you, and of all of My Children. Amen. MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. Another example of the mind getting excited and trying to get involved in "what is going on". Bawa. The answer that fills in the blank above is, "me" or "Curtis". MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Yes, and what is the proper response from "you" about that answer, that is, about the answer, it is "me" or Curtis? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. The proper response is that there is no place in "what is going on" for "me" or "Curtis" except for that one ("me") to step back, to sit down as God within "me" (and Bawa within Him) stands up and steps forward. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. No, that is just the mind fighting the mind, that is just the two headed snake, with one head fighting the other head. Bawa. The only proper response is always the same, about everything, is Al-hamdu lillah, handing all of the responsibility to God within you, after briefly reflecting upon it, saying to God, "Thank You O God. No Thank You O God. What's Next?". Bawa. Ok?. Bawa. And all of this exercise My dearest loving Son, though perhaps difficult for Curtis, is a beautiful example, of what "We" shared in the last Spiritual Chat that "We" published, that is, Spiritual Chat 358 (www.SpiritualChat358.homestead.com), "Louie Meets The Angel of Death (peace be upon Him)", is a beautiful example of, "Life is the Victory of Wisdom reasoning over Fate" Bawa. Ok? MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. So at all times, My dearest loving Son Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us), be peaceful about your state, accept it as it is, and realize nothing will ever leave you until it is understood, saying to God with each breath, "Father, Forgive all my faults, Grant me Your Grace". Bawa. And above all else, be happy. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand and we accept what My Dear Father Bawa is saying for the benefit of "Our" lives. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Good Son. Bawa. Is this enough for tonight? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Dear Father Bawa, this is enough for "Us" for tonight. Anbu. ============================================================== Introduction - to Spiritual Chat 360 Bawa. Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim. In the name of God, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate. Bawa. Al-salam 'alaykum wa-rahmat Allah wa-barakatuhu kulluhu. Wa 'alaykum al-salam wa-rahmat Allah wa-barakatuhu kulluhu. May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children. May God help all of My Children. May God be please with all of My Children. Amen. Bawa. My love you (anbu), dearest loving Sons and Daughters, and brothers and sisters, and all of My Children - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen. Bawa. Here is Page 1 of 1 of an E-mail Version of "Spiritual Chat 360", a beautiful Spiritual Chat between our dearest loving Son Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman (Curtis Wahlgren) and our dearest loving Son Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Louie Beutler), at the "Feet of God" for our age, at the feet of your dearest loving Father, Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us), for the age of the "Justice of Conscience", where "Who you are?" is now "What is within you", no longer "What is on the outside of you" as most of My Children still mistakenly believe. Bawa. To read a longer Outline & Summary Version of the same Spiritual Chat, that is, of "Spiritual Chat 360", one with an Outline and with an Expanded Summary of some Outline Topics, please click HERE, or above in the "Main Go To", on Go To Outline & Summary Version. Thank you . Enjoy. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Amen. Bawa. We have given this Sharing the following "Expanded Title", to better reflect the multiple focus of this sharing, at the "Feet of God" for your age, which in truth is the feet of your dearest loving Father, Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him) within you, and of God within Him, and now on the "outside" of you, at the feet of His Children (may God be pleased with each of Us), which in truth is each of you living in this age, if you like, for in truth the Choice is yours, not God's. Bawa. That is, if the true intention for your life within you, for your soul life, is to again become "One with" God within you, before you die to the flesh in your current state within you, that is, in our current state of living a life of "separation and differences" on the illusory "outside" of us, as if you are "separate from" God within you, as if you are "separate from" each other within you, and as if you are "separate from' the Creation of God within you, all of which is "Just Not True". Expanded Title of Spiritual Chat 360 Between: Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman And Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen, on 11-17-06 "Join In Partnership With God Within You, For You To Leave The "Outside" of You So God Can Come Into Your Heart, And Finish What He Started Within You, For You To Let Grace Spring Forth, Let Darkness Vanish, Let The Love Of Guru Grow, And Let Qualities Be Purified Within You, So The "Silent One" Can Appear As Grace Within You, So Wisdom Can Stand Up Within You For You To Call Your Wisdom Before You "Say Or Do Or Write" Anything, Which Is The "Spiritual Suicide" of "You" Within You, So All Of Your Working For Wages To Get Into Heaven End, By Saying The Word "Bawa" So The "Presence Of God" Is Established Within You, Before You "Say Or Do Or Write" Anything, And In This Way, And Only In This Way, For You To Establish The "Silent Zikr" Within You, With You Settling Into Stillness Within You Allowing God To Speak From Within You, As One With All of His Creation Within You, Passing Judgment Upon Them, With "You" No Longer Speaking On The "Outside" of You, Or Trying To Become Silent On the "Outside" of You, As "Separate From" God Within You, And From All of His Creation Within You, As My Children Are Mistakenly Still Trying To Do. Amen. Ok?" Bawa. May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children. May God help all of My Children. May God be pleased with all of My Children. Amen. Bawa. My love you (anbu) - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen. ============================================================== E-mail Version - of Spiritual Letter 360 MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim. In the Name of God, Most Merciful, Most Compassionate. Bawa. Al-salam 'alaykum My dearest loving Son Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen. Bawa. My love you - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen. MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim. In the Name of God, Most Merciful, Most Compassionate. Bawa. Wa 'alaykum Al-salam My dearest loving Father Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen. Bawa. My love you - Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Does "Our" dearest loving Son Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us) have any questions, comments, or sharings? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. "We" have nothing specific to discuss or ask. Does "Our" Dear Father Bawa have something to tell us at this time? MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. When "We" say the word "Bawa" and hand the question to Bawa within "Us", and to God within Him, the following clarity comes into the heart of this child. Bawa. Your question about duty last night [see "Spiritual Chat 359" or "Your Duty To God, and God's Duty To The Creation of God Within You" (www.SpiritualChat359. homestead.com) showed a flaw in the thinking of the mind, that is, it approaches everything as if it is separate from God, so if asked what is its duty, for example to God, it would start to describe what it does for God, for example like what is duty to God from the perspective of "That Rascal Curtis", or of "That Rascal Louie", without reference to God within it, and without reference to what "God is doing" with what is "Within God" within Curtis or Louie, at the very same time as Louie or Curtis are doing their duty. Bawa. That is, if Louie or Curtis will only let God continue to do His duty, let God continue to do what "God is doing" with what is "Within God" within Louie or Curtis and within each of My Children, at the very same time as Louie or Curtis are doing their duty. Right? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, that is right. The mind cannot know what "God is doing" with what is "Within God" within us. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And in this way, the mind is always "One sided", for example, it is always thinking of a "Two sided coin" as "one sided", but "We" know that a coin has two sides, and in truth the coin is defined by both sides, not just by one side, and to talk of the coin as if it is "One sided", as if it is defined by "One side", not "Two sides", is to distort the truth or reality of a coin. Right? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa. This is true. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Now Bawa teaches "Us" about the reality or truth of "Us" in the following terms. "Man is the story of God and God is the Story of Man. Man is the secret of God and God is the secret of Man. God is the "Bank of Man" and Man is the "Bank of God". Bawa. And Bawa describes this "Two sided" nature of this "One Thing" known as Man-God/God-Man throughout His teaching in the same manner. Right? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, this is true. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. So in this way, Man and God are two sides of the same coin, and you cannot in truth speak of God without also speaking about Man, and you cannot in truth speak of Man without also speaking of God. Right? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, this is true. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And in this way, Bawa teaches us this same truth about the true nature of "Us" and of God when Bawa teaches us the following: 1) You cannot put something down without also picking something up. 2) There is no true birth without a true death, and there is no true death without a true birth. 3) God is the One who makes the One who is speaking silent, and the One who is silent, speak. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Right? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, You are right. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. So to describe Man's duty to God at the very same time "We" must also be describing God's duty to Man, because one is always defined in terms of the other, that is, as "One with" the other, like two sides of the same coin, and can never be correctly defined as "separate from" the other. Right? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And the duty that One has to the other, of God to Man and of Man to God, depends on where each is, that is, what role each is playing, at each point in the Story of the "Oneness of God and True Man". Bawa. For example, in Anathi or the time of Darkness or Lack of Understanding, before the "Beginningless Beginning" when God starts to meditate upon Himself, upon the Power of God that is resonating within Himself, at the suggestion of the Qutb or grace of God within Him, and asks the Question of that Power, "Who am I", for the benefit of the "Child Left Behind", which is your soul or the "Light of Man" within God, and of all of the impure souls within Him. Bawa. And out of that Power of God comes the "Nur" or the "Presence of God" or the Dhat or the Essence of God, the Essence of the Power, allowing God to further investigate the question "Who am I", allowing God to speak with Himself, but a "Himself" or "His Presence" that also does not know "Who He is". Bawa. And out of that "Nur" comes Man or the "Presence of the Nur" allowing the "Nur" to further investigate the question "Who am I", allowing the "Nur" to speak with Himself, but a "Himself" or "His Presence" that also does not know "Who He is", and in this way, with the Nur now being the "Shadow of God" and Man now being the "Shadow of the Nur". Right? Bawa. And also out of the "Nur" comes the reflection of the "Light of the Nur" which is the Qutb or the grace of the Dhat, of the "Essence of the Power" that is God, as the 6th level of wisdom within the 7th level of wisdom, as divine Analytic Wisdom, the wisdom that explains, within Divine Luminous Wisdom, the wisdom that reveals, allowing Man to join in partnership with God within Him to answer the question "Who am I", progressively, first at the level of the Qutb, and then of the Nur, and finally of God within Him, if Man likes. Bawa. For the Choice is Man's, not God's, that is, if He joins with God within Him, to answer this question or not, as in truth it is now the Choice of each of My Children, not "Our" Choice within you, and not God's Choice within "Us". Amen. MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. But in truth they are One, God and Man, but at this point in the Story of the "Oneness of God and True Man" They are initially relating to each other through the Nur, which in truth is a fictitious character in the Story created by God, His imaginary presence, that causes Man to emerge in a form, as Adam (peace be upon Him), that now allows "Us" to appear as the "dream of the Qutb", as the Children of Adam (peace be upon Him), so the Qutb can help Man answer His Question, "Who am I", who in truth is also an imaginary presence, a presence that allows man to live a life on the illusory "outside" of himself as if he is "separate from" God within him, which is the current state of My Children. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. But in truth They are One, God and Man, but at this point in the Story of the "Oneness of God and True Man" They are relating to each other through the Nur, and through the Qutb within the Nur, both of which in truth are fictitious character in the story created by God, His imaginary presence, and His imaginary dreamer, allowing God and Man to both start to walk back together, as One, but this time with an understanding of Their Oneness, so it will never leave Them again, if you like, for the Choice to allow this to happen within you, as the Children of Adam (peace be upon Him), that is, within your heart or handful of earth, is most certainly the Choice of My Children, not "Our" Choice within you, as Man within God, and not God's Choice with "Us", as God within Man. Something to think about a little, Yes?. Bawa. That is, to allow Them to finish what They started, what God and True Man have started, a very, very long time ago within each of My Children, which is to reveal God to God for the benefit of all of the Creation of God, if you like, for now, the whole Story of God within True Man, and the whole Story of True Man within God, that is, whether it continues or stops, is up to you, to each of My Children. Bawa. For like the "Key Stone" in a 100 Story Building, like the boy with his finger in the dam, everything else that happens in the Story of the "Oneness of God and True Man" within God within you is now dependent upon what you do, what each of My Children now Chooses to do, with what is within you, and with what you now see on the illusory "outside" of you, in your ignorance and in your arrogance about your ignorance. Bawa. Everything else that now happens in Their Story within you is now dependent upon what you do, what each of My Children now Choose to do, and not anything that came before you, not anything that led up to this point in the Story, and if you choose wisely, that is, as "One with" God within you, rather than like a fool, that is, rather than as if you are "separate from" God within you, all of which is "Just Not True", then your life will truly become successful in your lifetime, for if you truly wise up within you, before you die to the flesh, then God and True Man within you can finish the Story of the "Oneness of God and True Man" within God within you, for the benefit of all of the Creation of God within God within you. Bawa. But if you stay a fool, which is the current state of My Children, no matter what, no matter what God tries to show and tell you, like what God is now telling you in this beautiful Spiritual Chat, from God within all of My Children, that in truth "You and God" are One, then nothing can come to completion within you, and like the apple seed that fails to germinate to the truth within it, you will rot and die in the earth known as your mind and desire, and become subject to 105 million rebirths, ending as a worm in hell within you, for eternity, and in this way, become subject to an eternal life within you as "separate from" God within you. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. But if you always choose wisely, that is, if you always answer each question that God places before you, which in truth is every question, and make each decision in terms of both what "you have to do", and in terms of "what God has to do" at the very same moment, in truth as "One with" each other, which is the truth of your life, and of the life of God within you, as "One", as two sides of the same coin, then God will do everything else, in order to make your life truly successful in your lifetime. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. For example, your duty to God is to let your life end, so the wisdom surrounding your soul which is the Qutb within you, can awaken from His dream, with you currently playing the role of the "dream of the Qutb", so the Qutb within you can finish answering the question that He asked within you, when He first came to life you, "Who am I". Bawa. And who the Qutb within you is within you, is "What is within Him" within you, and what is within the Qutb within you, within your 6th level of wisdom, is "God, the soul, and Goodness", allowing the Nur Muhammad within the Qutb within you, or the Light of your wisdom, the Light of the Qutb, to answer His Question, the Question He asked when He first came to life within you, "Who am I". Bawa. And who the Nur Muhammad is within the Qutb within you is again "What is within Him", and what is within Him, is what is within the soul which has now been returned to Him, with Him now acting the role of the body of the soul, returned to Him by the Qutb, when the Qutb answered His Question, and what is within the soul joined as "One with" the Nur Muhammad within the Qutb within you, is God's "Grace, Ilm, and Qualities and Actions", allowing God to answer His Question of God in Anathi, the Original Question asked by God of God, that started this telling of God's Story, the Original Question, "Who am I", allowing Everything to return to God within God within you, separating from God all that is "separating God" from God within you, so in the end, at the end of this telling of God's Story, that "No Child Is Left Behind". Ok? MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. For example, your duty as man, to God within you, in your state of the "dream of the Qutb", as the life of "separation and differences", with you living on the illusory "outside" of you, as if you are "separate from" God within you, is what? Bawa. And God's duty to Man, as the Silent One within you, as the Motionless All Pervading One who is the Omniscient Silent One within you, is what? Bawa. Remember, you must answer both as One answer, like two sides of the same coin, in order to correctly answer either question. Ok? MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And remember, an answer of "I don't know" is always a great answer, if you like. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand, and the answer to Your question is, "I don't know". MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Good Son. Bawa. The answer is as follows, with each answer being a facet of the same gem: Bawa. Your duty now on the illusory "outside" of you, and God's duty now, within you, is, 1) For you to leave, so God can come. 2) For you to let Grace spring forth, to let darkness vanish, to let the love of Guru grow, to let qualities be purified, so the "Silent One" can appear as grace. 3) For you to sit down, so wisdom can stand, by you calling your wisdom before you "say or do or write" anything, which in truth is a form of "spiritual suicide". 4) For you to join with God within you, so all of your working for wages to get into heaven ends 5) For you to say the word "Bawa" before you "say or do or write" anything, so the "Presence of God" is established within you, allowing God to speak, not you as "separate from" God within you. 6) For you to turn away from "your presence" and "your intention" and "your story" on the illusory "outside" of you , so all of the Creation of God within you can again stand in "God's Presence" and in the "Intention of God" and in the "Story of God" within you, allowing God to "Pass Judgment" upon them, before you die to the flesh in your current state, and they are forced to spend eternity within you as "separate from" God within you. Bawa. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And isn't it amazing that all of this description of "your duty" to God, and of "God's duty" to all of the Creation of God within you, was made without one single reference to _______. You fill in the blank, if you like. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. When we can let ourselves become blank than God can write His story on that blank for the benefit of all the Creations of God within Him within us. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Nice intention Grasshopper, but that is not the question that was asked. Please answer the question that was asked, if you like. Ok? MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And stop and think about the answer you just gave, which is the whole point of this beautiful exercise, of "Spiritual Chat 360", for what is wrong with the statement you must made, "When we can let ourselves become blank then God can (do something)". Bawa. What you are implying by that answer, is that you can do something, like become blank, without God also doing something, like starting to again tell His Story within you. But in truth One doesn't follow the other as you imply, both have to occur at the same time, for anything to change within you, that is, for something to truly occur within you, because in truth "You and God" are One, two sides of the same coin, two aspects of the same thing, of the "One Thing". Ok? Bawa. For you to do something, anything, without first involviing God in what is happening, that is, by defining what you are doing on the "outside" of you in terms of what God is also doing within you, and by defining what God is doing within you in terms of what you are doing on the "outside" of you, is for "you to do nothing", is for "nothing to truly happen", either within you or on the "outside" of you. Ok? Bawa. And that is the "dream of you", the idea of "you" as "separate from" God within you, that keeps you living the lie of you, the falsehood of you on the illusory "outside" of you, that you are "separate from" God within you, all of which can only end when you start to again involve God within you, in whatever you are doing on the "outside" of you, when you start to again define you again as "One with" God within you, when you start to again live the truth of you, that "You and God" are One, because in truth this is your only problem, either within you or on the illusory "outside" of you, your apparent "separation from" God within you, all of which is "Just Not True". Bawa. An apparent "separation from" God within you which can only be changed by you again acting as "One with" God within you, in everything that you start to do on the illusory "outside" of you, by first calling out the Name of God for your age, which for your age is "Bawa", or "Bawa Muhaiyaddeen", or "Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen" (may God be pleased with Him), that is, before you start to "Say or Do or Write" anything on the "outside" of you. Bawa. And in this way, and only in this way, with you truly establishing "God's Presence" within you, that is, with you truly placing all of the Creation of God within you directly before the "Power that is God" within you, so God can then "Pass Judgment" upon them, before you die to the flesh, and they have to spend eternity withiin you as "separate from" God within you. Amen. Bawa. For in truth the Choice is yours, not "Our Choice" within you, or "God's Choice" within "Us" within you, or the Choice of the Creation of God within you, that is, the Choice of "How and where you and the Creation of God within you" will spend eternity within you, either as "One with" or as "separate from" God within you, for in truth there are only two Choices, that is, God or hell, not three Choices as My Children still mistakenly believe, not God, heaven, or hell. Bawa. For in truth what My Children mistakenly call heaven is just hell in work clothes, is just the drama of your life, the drama of "I and you", of "Mine and yours", a drama of "separation and differences" which is leading My Children to an eternal life within you of "separation from" God within you, and that is the truth of you My Children. Amen. MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. Another example of the mind getting excited and trying to get involved in "what is going on". Bawa. The answer that fills in the blank above is, "me" or "Curtis". MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Yes, and what is the proper response from "you" about that answer, that is, about the answer, it is "me" or Curtis? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. The proper response is that there is no place in "what is going on" for "me" or "Curtis" except for that one ("me") to step back, to sit down as God within "me" (and Bawa within Him) stands up and steps forward. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. No, that is just the mind fighting the mind, that is just the two headed snake, with one head fighting the other head. Bawa. The only proper response is always the same, about everything, is Al-hamdu lillah, handing all of the responsibility to God within you, after briefly reflecting upon it, saying to God, "Thank You O God. No Thank You O God. What's Next". Ok? Bawa. And all of this exercise My dearest loving Son, though perhaps difficult for Curtis, is a beautiful example, of what "We" shared in the last Spiritual Chat that "We" published, that is, Spiritual Chat 358 (www.SpiritualChat358.homestead.com), "Louie Meets The Angel of Death (peace be upon Him)", is a beautiful example of, "Life is the Victory of Wisdom reasoning over Fate" Bawa. Ok? MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. So at all times, My dearest loving Son Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us), be peaceful about your state, accept it as it is, and realize nothing will ever leave you until it is understood, saying to God with each breath, "Father, Forgive all my faults, Grant me Your Grace". Bawa. And above all else, be happy. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand and we accept what My Dear Father Bawa is saying for the benefit of "Our" lives. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Good Son. Bawa. Is this enough for tonight? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Dear Father Bawa, this is enough for "Us" for tonight. Anbu. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And please add this list of six duties, of both You and of God within You, to what you read each day, if you like, Ok? 1) For you to leave, so God can come. 2) For you to let Grace spring forth, to let darkness vanish, to let the love of Guru grow, to let qualities be purified, so the "Silent One" can appear as grace. 3) For you to sit down, so wisdom can stand, by you calling your wisdom before you "say or do or write" anything, all of which in truth is a form of "spiritual suicide". 4) For you to join with God within you, so all of your working for wages to get into heaven ends 5) For you to say the word "Bawa" before you "say or do or write" anything, so the "Presence of God" is established within you, allowing God to speak, not you as "separate from" God within you. 6) For you to turn away from "your presence" and "your intention" and "your story" on the illusory "outside" of you , so all of the Creation of God within you can again stand in "God's Presence" and in the "Intention of God" and in the "Story of God" within you, allowing God to "Pass Judgment" upon them, before you die to the flesh in your current state, and they are forced to spend eternity within you as "separate from" God within you. MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand and we will do as You ask. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Good Son. Bawa. Please give "Our" love and salams to all of My Children. Bawa. Please tell them that Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us) loves them very, very much, and that they are always in "Our" prayers. Amen. Bawa. May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children. May God help all of My Children. May God be pleased with all of My Children. Amen. Bawa. My love you - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen. End of "Page 1 of 1" of "E-mail Version" of - Spiritual Chat 360 - ........................... |
Bawa The On-line Bawa Muhaiyaddeen Library (Recommended way to Navigate around Library) Spiritual Chat 360 ---------- "E-mail Version" ------- About Spiritual Chat 360 "The Silent Zikr is God Speaking From Within You, Not You Trying To Be Silent On The Outside of You" Date of Chat: November 17, 2006, on Friday Night, after the Jumma Prayer Chat Between: Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman (Curtis Wahlgren) and Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Louie Beutler), at the "Feet of God" for "Your Age" Page 1 of 1 ============================================================== Main Go To: Status Go To: Introduction - to Spiritual Chat 3608 ------------------------------------ Available Go To: A Short Overview - to Spiritual Chat 360 ---------------------------- Available Go To: E-mail Version - of Spiritual Chat 360 ---------------------------------- Available (The Version you are currently reading) Go To: Outline & Summary Version - of Spiritual Chat 360, with "Outline & Summaries" --------------------------------------------------- Planned Go To: Related Material - for Spiritual Chat 360 ------------------------------ Planned ============================================================== Home Page - Spiritual Chats Go To Spiritual Chat 361 Chat 360: E-mail Alert Library Home Page Go To Spiritual Chat 359 Chat 360: Other Stuff ============================================================== A Short Overview - of Spiritual Chat 360 MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Nice intention Grasshopper, but that is not the question that was asked. Please answer the question that was asked, if you like. Ok? Bawa. And stop and think about the answer that you just gave, which is the whole point of this beautiful exercise, of "Spiritual Chat 360", for what is wrong with the statement you just made, "When we can let ourselves become blank then God can (do something)". Bawa. What you are implying by that answer, is that you can do something, like become blank, without God also doing something, like starting to again tell His Story within you. But in truth one doesn't follow the other as you imply, both have to occur at the same time, for anything to change within you, that is, for something to truly occur within you, because in truth "You and God" are One, two sides of the same coin, two aspects of the same thing, of the "One Thing". Ok? Bawa. For you to do something, anything, without first involviing God in what is happening, that is, by defining what you are doing on the "outside" of you in terms of what God is also doing within you, and by defining what God is doing within you in terms of what you are doing on the "outside" of you, is for "you to do nothing", is for "nothing to truly happen", either within you or on the "outside" of you. Ok? Bawa. And that is the "dream of you", the idea of "you" as "separate from" God within you, that keeps you living the lie of you, the falsehood of you on the illusory "outside" of you, that you are "separate from" God within you, all of which can only end when you start to again involve God within you, in whatever you are doing on the "outside" of you, when you start to again define you again as "One with" God within you, when you start to again live the truth of you, that "You and God" are One, because in truth this is your only problem, either within you or on the illusory "outside" of you, your apparent "separation from" God within you, all of which is "Just Not True". Bawa. An apparent "separation from" God within you which can only be changed by you again acting as "One with" God within you, in everything that you start to do on the illusory "outside" of you, by first calling out the Name of God for your age, which for your age is "Bawa", or "Bawa Muhaiyaddeen", or "Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen" (may God be pleased with Him), that is, before you start to "Say or Do or Write" anything on the "outside" of you. Bawa. And in this way, and only in this way, with you truly establishing "God's Presence" within you, that is, with you truly placing all of the Creation of God within you directly before the "Power that is God" within you, so God can then "Pass Judgment" upon them, before you die to the flesh, and they have to spend eternity within you as "separate from" God within you. Amen. Bawa. For in truth the Choice is yours, not "Our Choice" within you, or "God's Choice" within "Us" within you, or the Choice of the Creation of God within you, that is, the Choice of "How and where" you and the Creation of God within you will spend eternity within you, either as "One with" or as "separate from" God within you, for in truth there are only two Choices, that is, God or hell, not three Choices as My Children still mistakenly believe, not God, heaven, or hell. Bawa. For in truth what My Children mistakenly call heaven is just hell in work clothes, is just the drama of your life, the drama of "I and you", of "Mine and yours", a drama of "separation and differences" which is leading My Children to an eternal life within you of "separation from" God within you, and that is the truth of you, and of all of My Children. Amen. MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. Another example of the mind getting excited and trying to get involved in "what is going on". Bawa. The answer that fills in the blank above is, "me" or "Curtis". MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Yes, and what is the proper response from "you" about that answer, that is, about the answer, it is "me" or Curtis? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. The proper response is that there is no place in "what is going on" for "me" or "Curtis" except for that one ("me") to step back, to sit down as God within "me" (and Bawa within Him) stands up and steps forward. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. No, that is just the mind fighting the mind, that is just the two headed snake, with one head fighting the other head. Bawa. The only proper response is always the same, about everything, is Al-hamdu lillah, handing all of the responsibility to God within you, after briefly reflecting upon it, saying to God, "Thank You O God. No Thank You O God. What's Next?". Bawa. Ok?. Bawa. And all of this exercise My dearest loving Son, though perhaps difficult for Curtis, is a beautiful example, of what "We" shared in the last Spiritual Chat that "We" published, that is, Spiritual Chat 358 (www.SpiritualChat358.homestead.com), "Louie Meets The Angel of Death (peace be upon Him)", is a beautiful example of, "Life is the Victory of Wisdom reasoning over Fate" Bawa. Ok? MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. So at all times, My dearest loving Son Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us), be peaceful about your state, accept it as it is, and realize nothing will ever leave you until it is understood, saying to God with each breath, "Father, Forgive all my faults, Grant me Your Grace". Bawa. And above all else, be happy. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand and we accept what My Dear Father Bawa is saying for the benefit of "Our" lives. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Good Son. Bawa. Is this enough for tonight? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Dear Father Bawa, this is enough for "Us" for tonight. Anbu. ============================================================== Introduction - to Spiritual Chat 360 Bawa. Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim. In the name of God, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate. Bawa. Al-salam 'alaykum wa-rahmat Allah wa-barakatuhu kulluhu. Wa 'alaykum al-salam wa-rahmat Allah wa-barakatuhu kulluhu. May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children. May God help all of My Children. May God be please with all of My Children. Amen. Bawa. My love you (anbu), dearest loving Sons and Daughters, and brothers and sisters, and all of My Children - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen. Bawa. Here is Page 1 of 1 of an E-mail Version of "Spiritual Chat 360", a beautiful Spiritual Chat between our dearest loving Son Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman (Curtis Wahlgren) and our dearest loving Son Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen (Louie Beutler), at the "Feet of God" for our age, at the feet of your dearest loving Father, Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us), for the age of the "Justice of Conscience", where "Who you are?" is now "What is within you", no longer "What is on the outside of you" as most of My Children still mistakenly believe. Bawa. To read a longer Outline & Summary Version of the same Spiritual Chat, that is, of "Spiritual Chat 360", one with an Outline and with an Expanded Summary of some Outline Topics, please click HERE, or above in the "Main Go To", on Go To Outline & Summary Version. Thank you . Enjoy. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Amen. Bawa. We have given this Sharing the following "Expanded Title", to better reflect the multiple focus of this sharing, at the "Feet of God" for your age, which in truth is the feet of your dearest loving Father, Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him) within you, and of God within Him, and now on the "outside" of you, at the feet of His Children (may God be pleased with each of Us), which in truth is each of you living in this age, if you like, for in truth the Choice is yours, not God's. Bawa. That is, if the true intention for your life within you, for your soul life, is to again become "One with" God within you, before you die to the flesh in your current state within you, that is, in our current state of living a life of "separation and differences" on the illusory "outside" of us, as if you are "separate from" God within you, as if you are "separate from" each other within you, and as if you are "separate from' the Creation of God within you, all of which is "Just Not True". Expanded Title of Spiritual Chat 360 Between: Muhammad Muhaiyaddeen Sulaiman And Shaikh Muhaiyaddeen, on 11-17-06 "Join In Partnership With God Within You, For You To Leave The "Outside" of You So God Can Come Into Your Heart, And Finish What He Started Within You, For You To Let Grace Spring Forth, Let Darkness Vanish, Let The Love Of Guru Grow, And Let Qualities Be Purified Within You, So The "Silent One" Can Appear As Grace Within You, So Wisdom Can Stand Up Within You For You To Call Your Wisdom Before You "Say Or Do Or Write" Anything, Which Is The "Spiritual Suicide" of "You" Within You, So All Of Your Working For Wages To Get Into Heaven End, By Saying The Word "Bawa" So The "Presence Of God" Is Established Within You, Before You "Say Or Do Or Write" Anything, And In This Way, And Only In This Way, For You To Establish The "Silent Zikr" Within You, With You Settling Into Stillness Within You Allowing God To Speak From Within You, As One With All of His Creation Within You, Passing Judgment Upon Them, With "You" No Longer Speaking On The "Outside" of You, Or Trying To Become Silent On the "Outside" of You, As "Separate From" God Within You, And From All of His Creation Within You, As My Children Are Mistakenly Still Trying To Do. Amen. Ok?" Bawa. May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children. May God help all of My Children. May God be pleased with all of My Children. Amen. Bawa. My love you (anbu) - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen. ============================================================== E-mail Version - of Spiritual Letter 360 MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim. In the Name of God, Most Merciful, Most Compassionate. Bawa. Al-salam 'alaykum My dearest loving Son Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen. Bawa. My love you - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen. MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim. In the Name of God, Most Merciful, Most Compassionate. Bawa. Wa 'alaykum Al-salam My dearest loving Father Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen. Bawa. My love you - Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Does "Our" dearest loving Son Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us) have any questions, comments, or sharings? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. "We" have nothing specific to discuss or ask. Does "Our" Dear Father Bawa have something to tell us at this time? MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. When "We" say the word "Bawa" and hand the question to Bawa within "Us", and to God within Him, the following clarity comes into the heart of this child. Bawa. Your question about duty last night [see "Spiritual Chat 359" or "Your Duty To God, and God's Duty To The Creation of God Within You" (www.SpiritualChat359. homestead.com) showed a flaw in the thinking of the mind, that is, it approaches everything as if it is separate from God, so if asked what is its duty, for example to God, it would start to describe what it does for God, for example like what is duty to God from the perspective of "That Rascal Curtis", or of "That Rascal Louie", without reference to God within it, and without reference to what "God is doing" with what is "Within God" within Curtis or Louie, at the very same time as Louie or Curtis are doing their duty. Bawa. That is, if Louie or Curtis will only let God continue to do His duty, let God continue to do what "God is doing" with what is "Within God" within Louie or Curtis and within each of My Children, at the very same time as Louie or Curtis are doing their duty. Right? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, that is right. The mind cannot know what "God is doing" with what is "Within God" within us. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And in this way, the mind is always "One sided", for example, it is always thinking of a "Two sided coin" as "one sided", but "We" know that a coin has two sides, and in truth the coin is defined by both sides, not just by one side, and to talk of the coin as if it is "One sided", as if it is defined by "One side", not "Two sides", is to distort the truth or reality of a coin. Right? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa. This is true. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Now Bawa teaches "Us" about the reality or truth of "Us" in the following terms. "Man is the story of God and God is the Story of Man. Man is the secret of God and God is the secret of Man. God is the "Bank of Man" and Man is the "Bank of God". Bawa. And Bawa describes this "Two sided" nature of this "One Thing" known as Man-God/God-Man throughout His teaching in the same manner. Right? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, this is true. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. So in this way, Man and God are two sides of the same coin, and you cannot in truth speak of God without also speaking about Man, and you cannot in truth speak of Man without also speaking of God. Right? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, this is true. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And in this way, Bawa teaches us this same truth about the true nature of "Us" and of God when Bawa teaches us the following: 1) You cannot put something down without also picking something up. 2) There is no true birth without a true death, and there is no true death without a true birth. 3) God is the One who makes the One who is speaking silent, and the One who is silent, speak. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Right? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, You are right. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. So to describe Man's duty to God at the very same time "We" must also be describing God's duty to Man, because one is always defined in terms of the other, that is, as "One with" the other, like two sides of the same coin, and can never be correctly defined as "separate from" the other. Right? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And the duty that One has to the other, of God to Man and of Man to God, depends on where each is, that is, what role each is playing, at each point in the Story of the "Oneness of God and True Man". Bawa. For example, in Anathi or the time of Darkness or Lack of Understanding, before the "Beginningless Beginning" when God starts to meditate upon Himself, upon the Power of God that is resonating within Himself, at the suggestion of the Qutb or grace of God within Him, and asks the Question of that Power, "Who am I", for the benefit of the "Child Left Behind", which is your soul or the "Light of Man" within God, and of all of the impure souls within Him. Bawa. And out of that Power of God comes the "Nur" or the "Presence of God" or the Dhat or the Essence of God, the Essence of the Power, allowing God to further investigate the question "Who am I", allowing God to speak with Himself, but a "Himself" or "His Presence" that also does not know "Who He is". Bawa. And out of that "Nur" comes Man or the "Presence of the Nur" allowing the "Nur" to further investigate the question "Who am I", allowing the "Nur" to speak with Himself, but a "Himself" or "His Presence" that also does not know "Who He is", and in this way, with the Nur now being the "Shadow of God" and Man now being the "Shadow of the Nur". Right? Bawa. And also out of the "Nur" comes the reflection of the "Light of the Nur" which is the Qutb or the grace of the Dhat, of the "Essence of the Power" that is God, as the 6th level of wisdom within the 7th level of wisdom, as divine Analytic Wisdom, the wisdom that explains, within Divine Luminous Wisdom, the wisdom that reveals, allowing Man to join in partnership with God within Him to answer the question "Who am I", progressively, first at the level of the Qutb, and then of the Nur, and finally of God within Him, if Man likes. Bawa. For the Choice is Man's, not God's, that is, if He joins with God within Him, to answer this question or not, as in truth it is now the Choice of each of My Children, not "Our" Choice within you, and not God's Choice within "Us". Amen. MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. But in truth they are One, God and Man, but at this point in the Story of the "Oneness of God and True Man" They are initially relating to each other through the Nur, which in truth is a fictitious character in the Story created by God, His imaginary presence, that causes Man to emerge in a form, as Adam (peace be upon Him), that now allows "Us" to appear as the "dream of the Qutb", as the Children of Adam (peace be upon Him), so the Qutb can help Man answer His Question, "Who am I", who in truth is also an imaginary presence, a presence that allows man to live a life on the illusory "outside" of himself as if he is "separate from" God within him, which is the current state of My Children. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. But in truth They are One, God and Man, but at this point in the Story of the "Oneness of God and True Man" They are relating to each other through the Nur, and through the Qutb within the Nur, both of which in truth are fictitious character in the story created by God, His imaginary presence, and His imaginary dreamer, allowing God and Man to both start to walk back together, as One, but this time with an understanding of Their Oneness, so it will never leave Them again, if you like, for the Choice to allow this to happen within you, as the Children of Adam (peace be upon Him), that is, within your heart or handful of earth, is most certainly the Choice of My Children, not "Our" Choice within you, as Man within God, and not God's Choice with "Us", as God within Man. Something to think about a little, Yes?. Bawa. That is, to allow Them to finish what They started, what God and True Man have started, a very, very long time ago within each of My Children, which is to reveal God to God for the benefit of all of the Creation of God, if you like, for now, the whole Story of God within True Man, and the whole Story of True Man within God, that is, whether it continues or stops, is up to you, to each of My Children. Bawa. For like the "Key Stone" in a 100 Story Building, like the boy with his finger in the dam, everything else that happens in the Story of the "Oneness of God and True Man" within God within you is now dependent upon what you do, what each of My Children now Chooses to do, with what is within you, and with what you now see on the illusory "outside" of you, in your ignorance and in your arrogance about your ignorance. Bawa. Everything else that now happens in Their Story within you is now dependent upon what you do, what each of My Children now Choose to do, and not anything that came before you, not anything that led up to this point in the Story, and if you choose wisely, that is, as "One with" God within you, rather than like a fool, that is, rather than as if you are "separate from" God within you, all of which is "Just Not True", then your life will truly become successful in your lifetime, for if you truly wise up within you, before you die to the flesh, then God and True Man within you can finish the Story of the "Oneness of God and True Man" within God within you, for the benefit of all of the Creation of God within God within you. Bawa. But if you stay a fool, which is the current state of My Children, no matter what, no matter what God tries to show and tell you, like what God is now telling you in this beautiful Spiritual Chat, from God within all of My Children, that in truth "You and God" are One, then nothing can come to completion within you, and like the apple seed that fails to germinate to the truth within it, you will rot and die in the earth known as your mind and desire, and become subject to 105 million rebirths, ending as a worm in hell within you, for eternity, and in this way, become subject to an eternal life within you as "separate from" God within you. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. But if you always choose wisely, that is, if you always answer each question that God places before you, which in truth is every question, and make each decision in terms of both what "you have to do", and in terms of "what God has to do" at the very same moment, in truth as "One with" each other, which is the truth of your life, and of the life of God within you, as "One", as two sides of the same coin, then God will do everything else, in order to make your life truly successful in your lifetime. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. For example, your duty to God is to let your life end, so the wisdom surrounding your soul which is the Qutb within you, can awaken from His dream, with you currently playing the role of the "dream of the Qutb", so the Qutb within you can finish answering the question that He asked within you, when He first came to life you, "Who am I". Bawa. And who the Qutb within you is within you, is "What is within Him" within you, and what is within the Qutb within you, within your 6th level of wisdom, is "God, the soul, and Goodness", allowing the Nur Muhammad within the Qutb within you, or the Light of your wisdom, the Light of the Qutb, to answer His Question, the Question He asked when He first came to life within you, "Who am I". Bawa. And who the Nur Muhammad is within the Qutb within you is again "What is within Him", and what is within Him, is what is within the soul which has now been returned to Him, with Him now acting the role of the body of the soul, returned to Him by the Qutb, when the Qutb answered His Question, and what is within the soul joined as "One with" the Nur Muhammad within the Qutb within you, is God's "Grace, Ilm, and Qualities and Actions", allowing God to answer His Question of God in Anathi, the Original Question asked by God of God, that started this telling of God's Story, the Original Question, "Who am I", allowing Everything to return to God within God within you, separating from God all that is "separating God" from God within you, so in the end, at the end of this telling of God's Story, that "No Child Is Left Behind". Ok? MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. For example, your duty as man, to God within you, in your state of the "dream of the Qutb", as the life of "separation and differences", with you living on the illusory "outside" of you, as if you are "separate from" God within you, is what? Bawa. And God's duty to Man, as the Silent One within you, as the Motionless All Pervading One who is the Omniscient Silent One within you, is what? Bawa. Remember, you must answer both as One answer, like two sides of the same coin, in order to correctly answer either question. Ok? MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And remember, an answer of "I don't know" is always a great answer, if you like. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand, and the answer to Your question is, "I don't know". MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Good Son. Bawa. The answer is as follows, with each answer being a facet of the same gem: Bawa. Your duty now on the illusory "outside" of you, and God's duty now, within you, is, 1) For you to leave, so God can come. 2) For you to let Grace spring forth, to let darkness vanish, to let the love of Guru grow, to let qualities be purified, so the "Silent One" can appear as grace. 3) For you to sit down, so wisdom can stand, by you calling your wisdom before you "say or do or write" anything, which in truth is a form of "spiritual suicide". 4) For you to join with God within you, so all of your working for wages to get into heaven ends 5) For you to say the word "Bawa" before you "say or do or write" anything, so the "Presence of God" is established within you, allowing God to speak, not you as "separate from" God within you. 6) For you to turn away from "your presence" and "your intention" and "your story" on the illusory "outside" of you , so all of the Creation of God within you can again stand in "God's Presence" and in the "Intention of God" and in the "Story of God" within you, allowing God to "Pass Judgment" upon them, before you die to the flesh in your current state, and they are forced to spend eternity within you as "separate from" God within you. Bawa. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And isn't it amazing that all of this description of "your duty" to God, and of "God's duty" to all of the Creation of God within you, was made without one single reference to _______. You fill in the blank, if you like. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. When we can let ourselves become blank than God can write His story on that blank for the benefit of all the Creations of God within Him within us. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Nice intention Grasshopper, but that is not the question that was asked. Please answer the question that was asked, if you like. Ok? MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And stop and think about the answer you just gave, which is the whole point of this beautiful exercise, of "Spiritual Chat 360", for what is wrong with the statement you must made, "When we can let ourselves become blank then God can (do something)". Bawa. What you are implying by that answer, is that you can do something, like become blank, without God also doing something, like starting to again tell His Story within you. But in truth One doesn't follow the other as you imply, both have to occur at the same time, for anything to change within you, that is, for something to truly occur within you, because in truth "You and God" are One, two sides of the same coin, two aspects of the same thing, of the "One Thing". Ok? Bawa. For you to do something, anything, without first involviing God in what is happening, that is, by defining what you are doing on the "outside" of you in terms of what God is also doing within you, and by defining what God is doing within you in terms of what you are doing on the "outside" of you, is for "you to do nothing", is for "nothing to truly happen", either within you or on the "outside" of you. Ok? Bawa. And that is the "dream of you", the idea of "you" as "separate from" God within you, that keeps you living the lie of you, the falsehood of you on the illusory "outside" of you, that you are "separate from" God within you, all of which can only end when you start to again involve God within you, in whatever you are doing on the "outside" of you, when you start to again define you again as "One with" God within you, when you start to again live the truth of you, that "You and God" are One, because in truth this is your only problem, either within you or on the illusory "outside" of you, your apparent "separation from" God within you, all of which is "Just Not True". Bawa. An apparent "separation from" God within you which can only be changed by you again acting as "One with" God within you, in everything that you start to do on the illusory "outside" of you, by first calling out the Name of God for your age, which for your age is "Bawa", or "Bawa Muhaiyaddeen", or "Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen" (may God be pleased with Him), that is, before you start to "Say or Do or Write" anything on the "outside" of you. Bawa. And in this way, and only in this way, with you truly establishing "God's Presence" within you, that is, with you truly placing all of the Creation of God within you directly before the "Power that is God" within you, so God can then "Pass Judgment" upon them, before you die to the flesh, and they have to spend eternity withiin you as "separate from" God within you. Amen. Bawa. For in truth the Choice is yours, not "Our Choice" within you, or "God's Choice" within "Us" within you, or the Choice of the Creation of God within you, that is, the Choice of "How and where you and the Creation of God within you" will spend eternity within you, either as "One with" or as "separate from" God within you, for in truth there are only two Choices, that is, God or hell, not three Choices as My Children still mistakenly believe, not God, heaven, or hell. Bawa. For in truth what My Children mistakenly call heaven is just hell in work clothes, is just the drama of your life, the drama of "I and you", of "Mine and yours", a drama of "separation and differences" which is leading My Children to an eternal life within you of "separation from" God within you, and that is the truth of you My Children. Amen. MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand. Another example of the mind getting excited and trying to get involved in "what is going on". Bawa. The answer that fills in the blank above is, "me" or "Curtis". MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Yes, and what is the proper response from "you" about that answer, that is, about the answer, it is "me" or Curtis? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. The proper response is that there is no place in "what is going on" for "me" or "Curtis" except for that one ("me") to step back, to sit down as God within "me" (and Bawa within Him) stands up and steps forward. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. No, that is just the mind fighting the mind, that is just the two headed snake, with one head fighting the other head. Bawa. The only proper response is always the same, about everything, is Al-hamdu lillah, handing all of the responsibility to God within you, after briefly reflecting upon it, saying to God, "Thank You O God. No Thank You O God. What's Next". Ok? Bawa. And all of this exercise My dearest loving Son, though perhaps difficult for Curtis, is a beautiful example, of what "We" shared in the last Spiritual Chat that "We" published, that is, Spiritual Chat 358 (www.SpiritualChat358.homestead.com), "Louie Meets The Angel of Death (peace be upon Him)", is a beautiful example of, "Life is the Victory of Wisdom reasoning over Fate" Bawa. Ok? MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. So at all times, My dearest loving Son Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us), be peaceful about your state, accept it as it is, and realize nothing will ever leave you until it is understood, saying to God with each breath, "Father, Forgive all my faults, Grant me Your Grace". Bawa. And above all else, be happy. Ok? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand and we accept what My Dear Father Bawa is saying for the benefit of "Our" lives. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Good Son. Bawa. Is this enough for tonight? MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Dear Father Bawa, this is enough for "Us" for tonight. Anbu. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. And please add this list of six duties, of both You and of God within You, to what you read each day, if you like, Ok? 1) For you to leave, so God can come. 2) For you to let Grace spring forth, to let darkness vanish, to let the love of Guru grow, to let qualities be purified, so the "Silent One" can appear as grace. 3) For you to sit down, so wisdom can stand, by you calling your wisdom before you "say or do or write" anything, all of which in truth is a form of "spiritual suicide". 4) For you to join with God within you, so all of your working for wages to get into heaven ends 5) For you to say the word "Bawa" before you "say or do or write" anything, so the "Presence of God" is established within you, allowing God to speak, not you as "separate from" God within you. 6) For you to turn away from "your presence" and "your intention" and "your story" on the illusory "outside" of you , so all of the Creation of God within you can again stand in "God's Presence" and in the "Intention of God" and in the "Story of God" within you, allowing God to "Pass Judgment" upon them, before you die to the flesh in your current state, and they are forced to spend eternity within you as "separate from" God within you. MMSulaiman11: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Yes Bawa, we understand and we will do as You ask. MuhaiyaddeenLB: Bawa. Al-hamdu lillah. Allahu Akbar. Bawa. Good Son. Bawa. Please give "Our" love and salams to all of My Children. Bawa. Please tell them that Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us) loves them very, very much, and that they are always in "Our" prayers. Amen. Bawa. May all the peace, the beneficence, and the blessing of God be upon all of My Children. May God help all of My Children. May God be pleased with all of My Children. Amen. Bawa. My love you - Shaikh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhaiyaddeen (may God be pleased with Him, and with Us). Amen. End of "Page 1 of 1" of "E-mail Version" of - Spiritual Chat 360 - ........................... |
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